Need assistance with daily driver electrical supercharger set up.

climbing96

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Being a forum rookie, and being excited about all the fart smellers...I mean smart fellers on this forum, I posted the following into my introduction post.

I am in the process of building a twin Hayabusa motorcycle powered off road buggy. I am playing with the idea of electric boost for a couple of reasons. First and foremost is that I do not buy into the "Turbos are free boost" mentality. I believe it constricts the exhaust and therefore takes some horsepower away from the system to make horsepower for the system, making it less efficient. Superchargers have been proven to take horsepower to make horsepower. I have seen some Youtube videos about electric superchargers (AlexLTDLX and others) and they seem to be using a battery bank (which is charged before) to run the supercharger to make a drag strip run which would be free horsepower in reference to taking horsepower (none) to make horsepower. The second reason I am toying with the idea is that the design of the exhaust can be so much simpler and can be designed to be as free flowing as needed, or tuned to create a bit more bottom end. Third reason is that I do want bottom end as well as top end, and an electric supercharger can be programmed to make boost where ever I want regardless of throttle position, so no turbo lag. Now for the first part that I need help with.

1. How would driving the electric supercharger with the engines electrical charging system load the engine compared to a turbo or supercharger?
2. Is it even feasible to have an electric supercharger that can produce full boost at any rpm all day every day?
3. How much boost would I need to make 250 HP per engine that starts life with maybe 190 HP NA?

If this goes well, I also want to explore the possibility of electric supercharging an '08 F450 with a DT360 in it (another project I have on the go).

My next questions will come after I have an understanding of the above questions, but it will be where do I get parts for this system for the Hayabusa's. Looking forward to hearing from all you out of the box thinkers;-)
 
I would only use the electric turbo when required not all the time, they require power in the realm of 10kw-15kw of energy to run. In therory.

If running all the time you would require an electrical system capable of producing (15kw * 10% loses) = 16.5kw++ of energy being pulled from the engine at full noise.

Engine Mechanical load to Generate 16.5kw is electricity, is probably closely to 18 or 19kw at a guess.
So let put that one to bed!!!

OK a quick run down of reading a turbo compressor map.

Your engine generates 190hp NA eating 14.7psi of air at sea level or (1 atmosphere)

To obtain your Pressure Ratio (left column)
We use your desired 250hp divide by O.G. HP.
(250hp/190hp) = 1.31 this is your pressure ratio.

Your desired HP is roughly the (LBS/Min * 10)
Bottom row on Compressor Map.
So 25LBS/Min * 10 = 250HP.

As per attached images of a compressor map of a Garrett GTX 3582R, as example.

The RED dot which is roughly at
1.31PR & 250HP (25LBS/min)
You would need to spin it to about 60k rpm.

In regards to PSI it would be roughly as follows.
(14.7psi * 1.31) - 14.7psi = 4.557psi
Or
(1.31 -1 atmosphere) = 0.31 * 14.7psi = 4.557psi
Which ever maths your prefer.

I think for your situation I would consider a Centrifical Supercharger from a Jetski, spun by enough juice you can use the borg warner turbo calculator to work out shaft HP.
You should be able to find a compressor map for these. I have seen them on FB Market place for $300.


Best of luck.
 

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